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Antheus · Oct 04, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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I'll be honest, that was my only eyewitness. But guildies and people on the AB were telling their "lol" stories too. You say they could be faking, which can be easily debated with, "They might not have."

There is a show, that clearly demonstrates what "others are telling it" means. The show is called MythBusters.

There has been overwhelmingly positive response to the new system. Compare it to other changes to the game, where positive feedback has been next to non-existent.

CagedinSanity · Oct 04, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Antheus

There has been overwhelmingly positive response to the new system. Compare it to other changes to the game, where positive feedback has been next to non-existent.

I'm one of those, I think it's definately needed. I'm just saying what I saw myself. Abuse has, does, and will happen and you CANNOT deny that.

Bryant Again · Oct 04, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I actually liked that post Freeked, heh.

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

And I didn't find it lowered my ability to enjoy the match at all. It just added an element of uncertainty to it. Sometimes a leecher is better to have than an idiot with an absolutely dysfunctional build running around.

In regards to leeching - even though this is a little buried - the gaming experience greatly varies. While it's cool that you're lenient toward leechers, most people are not. Their game experience was being ruined by the leechers and AFKers. The actually playing people were interested in a fair fight, and this would greatly hinder the balance of it.

Not to mention people were just annoyed that AFKers were to get the same reward as the active players when they weren't doing anything. ANet has shown to be greatly against situations like this.

CagedinSanity · Oct 04, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Personally I'd prefer aweful builds to AFKers, good meat shields. They slam the newb while I pick them off. Works out better than having -1 player on the field.

Bryant Again · Oct 04, 2007, 01:00 PM // 13:00

Not to mention that *anyone* can run amber or go bring the respawned turtles back.

I predict many a people are typing many a long response.

Bryant Again · Oct 04, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Guild Wars has managed just fine this long without it....

Not really. How come so many people hate to PUG? When you listen to their complaints, it's not "because people are noobs", it's usually a multitude of things: Cursing out, drawing inappropriate sketches on the compass, Afking the whole mission, being a general griefer. Not to mention the multitude of problems with casual PvP.

Now, it's just easier to report people. I used to have to go through a little lengthy process to report someone. Now there's just a shortcut, and more people are alerted towards it. Thumbs up says I.

Floski · Oct 04, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Restrict it to the low tier PvP zones. There is no leecher/leaver problem in Tombs/GvG.

Make the punishment harsher. Make /reports accountable. There should be reviews of every single one. People should have to be able to prove there was actual leeching/leaving with a screenshot. If they can prove it, make the person unable to enter those zones for a day or more.

Make it so if someone leaves before you in RA, you can leave. Make it so if the match has been going on for 1:30 you can leave. Try to make it so you don't get 3 monk teams in RA. For RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO's sake, part of the reason you had so many leavers is because you had such a shitty randomizing system. Make it so you can leave if 2 of your team is dead.

Harsher punishment/more exact targeting of the problem is how to fix this. Not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing blanket solution with a 10 minute "deterrent".

billypowergamer · Oct 04, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Boops

when you deal with someone once and ignore them, you're likely to never see them again in this game

it takes a while to get someone "kicked off," and by the time they do, they would have been out of your hair anyway

getting someone reported for what they say is mean and not open-minded (i find that offensive)

But if you ignore said person, they don't learn that what they did was inappropriate according to the rules of conduct(ie, the EULA, and you can skip the bullshit about freedom of speech, doesn't apply here). If the person is reprimanded for their actions, then they learn they cannot get away with it. It is no different then disciplining a child. Would you find it offensive if someone let their kid kick you in the shin repeatedly or scream at you without being disciplined? Sure, you may never see the kid again, but you would most likely be offended and expect action at that time.

Lasareth · Oct 04, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Stop taking cheap shots at each other and stick to the topic please.

Questions ----> My pm box. Posting anything not on topic here will get your post deleted.

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/private.php

JeniM · Oct 04, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Lasareth

Stop taking cheap shots at each other and stick to the topic please.

The topics asks for feedback so heres my summary

It works, people that are offencive/annoying/leeching/leaving are getting punished
I have done non of the above and have never been reported, nor have any guildmates
Report is a success, well done Anet

HawkofStorms · Oct 04, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Lasareth

Stop taking cheap shots at each other and stick to the topic please.

Bye boops.

Hehe, thanks Lasareth. I was just about to report him myself when his post became an "invalid link."

But seriously, this topic is just begging for greif. Of course some people are going to hate it, those people who it was designed to target (the griefers and the immature). Ignore the whining a.net. Its a great update.
Just because immature behavior becomes the norm on the internet doesn't make it socially acceptable.

JeniM · Oct 04, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Hehe, thanks Lasareth. I was just about to report him myself when his post became an "invalid link."

But seriously, this topic is just begging for greif. Of course some people are going to hate it, those people who it was designed to target (the griefers and the immature). Ignore the whining a.net. Its a great update.
Just because immature behavior becomes the norm on the internet doesn't make it socially acceptable.

EXACTLY
The kind of people this affects are the kind that will troll a thread, i do think the thread was started as a convesation but it did turn into a pitched battle
Anet have struck a victory over the people that play purely to ruin others enjoyment of the game and i for one think more should be done not taking this out but perfecting it
There will always be error and Anet will always have logs anyone that is inocent will have it fixed but so far all i've seen it punish are the idiots that annoy people and leeches

lord_shar · Oct 04, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

I was in AB today and noticed another rash of deserters, afk'ers, corpse /dancers, verbally abusive players, etc... All happily out in force now that /report is offline.

As flawed as /report was in its present state, it was still nice while it lasted...

Zehnchu · Oct 04, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I'm sure that that the people who used the /report to intimidate other players miss it as well.

lord_shar · Oct 04, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

I'm sure that that the people who used the /report to intimidate other players miss it as well.

I played the whole weekend without running into any of these folks. Either I was extremely lucky, or these guys are not as rampant as some posters claim.

/Report is easy to abuse in its present state because it is not intelligently coded. Some suggestions:

-An AFKer/Leecher should only be reportable if idle for more than x-seconds.
-The /report command should limited to 1 use per 10-15 minutes to prevent /report spamming.
-Those found blatantly abusing /report should be temp-banned rather than just being dishonored-pointed, or perma-banned if a repeat-offender.

I'm guessing /report takes some kind of log snap-shot of the offending and reporting player, so report abuse-detection isn't impossible, but it will be a tech-support-related operation.

Gaile Gray · Oct 17, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Now that the Report System has been re-enabled in the game, is there any new feedback that you would like to share with the dev team?

Please post here with you comments, basing them on the "V2.0" that was released last week.

Thanks again for your input.

Daakkon · Oct 17, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

gaile can you please tell the team to put a box in the report window so we can type the persons name that we're reporting
I think it's stupid how we have to have them targetted

SotiCoto · Oct 17, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Now that the Report System has been re-enabled in the game, is there any new feedback that you would like to share with the dev team?

Please post here with you comments, basing them on the "V2.0" that was released last week.

Thanks again for your input.

That some of us seem to be conveniently invisible here?

And we would like as close as you can get to a guarantee that the Report feature will not be used for evil extensively and into the forseeable future?

elektra_lucia · Oct 17, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

My friend got banned for three days for having a bad name. Three days seems too long to me. I've also heard of people getting banned for ever?

I think that it's unfair because on the box there is not enough warning about getting account banned...

when you buy a house, a car, sign up to a job, something - there will be a form you fill in, a contract. I don't think it's fair that the contract in guild wars (EULA) is such that you pay your £30 for the game and then you HAVE to agree.

If you don't agree, you can't play. So you buy the game not knowing you may get banned from it, and then you later discover you have to go by the rules or you get banned.

There is also warnings in other games like 'warning, experience online may change'.

Children can go up the mall and hear lots of swearing, so swearing shouldn't be a bannable offence. Not even extreme swearing.

Here in England, racism itself isn't a crime, insighting racial hatred is. I know that games have to account for other countries, but I don't think that saying the N word warrants being banned UNLESS the person saying it, gets multiple people to join in on the abuse; therefore, forming a miniture gang.

The problem with leavers is usually because they wish to sync up with friends. This is easily solved, just don't allow them to exit the game. Make them wait their time...

At the end of the round allow them to leave if they wish.

I am not sure about an AFK report what if someone has to get up and go because something happened in real life? Instead of having a report function for that, make it such that if they do not move for X amount of seconds, disallow them from receiving the benefits.

That way they'd have no motive to ruin the game.

Of course, you could maybe make an exception and ban them for an hour or something.

Now for harassment, it's highly annoying when I receive abuse from an RA player who is usually 90% of the time wrong, but not only that, he has me on ignore.

Rather than ban him for this, you should disallow being able to message someone while you are under off-line mode, Do Not Disturb mode OR you have them on your ignore list. If they are to get a friend to harass then yes perhaps ban them for a day.

I got spammed by 30 people once because of a guy so I was glad I had the guy banned. It was not something I could avoid...

Racism is, I can use chat filter.
Swear words are.

Another thing if you are going to ban tell the person before hand perhaps? Even if you set aside a maximum of two minutes for debate. My friend would of quickly changed her character name if she had of known she'd be banned. The name wasn't even offensive, it ad boobs in it with three o's or something like that.

Government Flu · Oct 18, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Ulterion

Sry to say, but no one really gives to doo-doo's about it and fully support it 100%.

Maybe if you could control your urge to troll you'd see that people are actually having a discussion rather than a flame war. Take your cute Star Wars picture and hang it on your wall.

Anyway, a quick bit of insight on what I've seen with the report system...I've ABed a lot in the past couple of weeks and constantly see someone reported as a leecher but then see that person out fighting a battle or capturing a flag. This is probably because people are too quick to report another player even if the player just had to step out for a few seconds. I know that's annoying, but no one deserves to be reported just for that.

Would being declared a leecher just for being AFK a minute or two create a problem?